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	<description>Keep it simple, complicated things suck.</description>
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		<title>By: Two months &#124; Rustin Jessen</title>
		<link>http://rustinjessen.com/weblog/706#comment-695</link>
		<dc:creator>Two months &#124; Rustin Jessen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2009 22:12:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] remember a while ago when I was asking you all to help me decide on a few things for our new company? Well, that work is complete. I&#8217;d like to introduce J. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] remember a while ago when I was asking you all to help me decide on a few things for our new company? Well, that work is complete. I&#8217;d like to introduce J. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Rustin</title>
		<link>http://rustinjessen.com/weblog/706#comment-537</link>
		<dc:creator>Rustin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Oct 2009 20:29:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks all for the comments...  I did end up going with a variation of the second option (you can see it on our new site that&#039;s being designed in the open... each stage is getting feedback from twitter http://jblackbird.com ).  I designed a little compass rose to pair with J. Blackbird.  This does have some significance to my wife and I... but I&#039;ll leave that to a later post.

@Greg - I&#039;m what&#039;s known in most circles as a hoarder :-) So over the years I&#039;ve acquired a stupidly large collection of fonts.  Some are freebies, some are given as projects dictate, others I buy.  I&#039;m a closet type nerd, so I can never have enough.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks all for the comments&#8230;  I did end up going with a variation of the second option (you can see it on our new site that&#8217;s being designed in the open&#8230; each stage is getting feedback from twitter <a href="http://jblackbird.com" rel="nofollow">http://jblackbird.com</a> ).  I designed a little compass rose to pair with J. Blackbird.  This does have some significance to my wife and I&#8230; but I&#8217;ll leave that to a later post.</p>
<p>@Greg &#8211; I&#8217;m what&#8217;s known in most circles as a hoarder <img src='http://rustinjessen.com/wordpress/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' />  So over the years I&#8217;ve acquired a stupidly large collection of fonts.  Some are freebies, some are given as projects dictate, others I buy.  I&#8217;m a closet type nerd, so I can never have enough.</p>
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		<title>By: Greg Maletic</title>
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		<dc:creator>Greg Maletic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Oct 2009 20:22:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Frankly, they&#039;re all pretty good options. I&#039;m wondering where you found such a great group of fonts. Have you acquired them piecemeal, from multiple sources, over the years? Or do they come from a single source?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Frankly, they&#8217;re all pretty good options. I&#8217;m wondering where you found such a great group of fonts. Have you acquired them piecemeal, from multiple sources, over the years? Or do they come from a single source?</p>
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		<title>By: Jimmy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jimmy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Oct 2009 22:08:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I like the second one, its more intriguing than the first. You leave a lot more to imagination. I feel like with the first you&#039;re following more identity trends than the second.

Both are beautiful though.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like the second one, its more intriguing than the first. You leave a lot more to imagination. I feel like with the first you&#8217;re following more identity trends than the second.</p>
<p>Both are beautiful though.</p>
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		<title>By: Nathan</title>
		<link>http://rustinjessen.com/weblog/706#comment-386</link>
		<dc:creator>Nathan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Aug 2009 14:06:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Currently working on my own identity -- I feel your pain.

Having looked at your scratch sheet I&#039;m thinking option one... with some tweaking.

I&#039;d be looking at a &#039;transitional&#039; typeface set in bold...Baskerville and Mrs Eaves spring to mind. Something with a slightly bracketed serif will hold up better when reduced. 

Regarding the old english &quot;J&quot; -- I&#039;d pay close attention to the stroke weights and the overall balance. If simplified/less intricate it could make a great wax seal, emboss, deboss, etc.

Have you considered making the framing circle and &quot;j&quot; one element?

Additionally I would tighten up the spacing of J.&amp;BLACKBIRD.

That&#039;s my two bob&#039;s worth.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Currently working on my own identity &#8212; I feel your pain.</p>
<p>Having looked at your scratch sheet I&#8217;m thinking option one&#8230; with some tweaking.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d be looking at a &#8216;transitional&#8217; typeface set in bold&#8230;Baskerville and Mrs Eaves spring to mind. Something with a slightly bracketed serif will hold up better when reduced. </p>
<p>Regarding the old english &#8220;J&#8221; &#8212; I&#8217;d pay close attention to the stroke weights and the overall balance. If simplified/less intricate it could make a great wax seal, emboss, deboss, etc.</p>
<p>Have you considered making the framing circle and &#8220;j&#8221; one element?</p>
<p>Additionally I would tighten up the spacing of J.&amp;BLACKBIRD.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s my two bob&#8217;s worth.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Berry</title>
		<link>http://rustinjessen.com/weblog/706#comment-372</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike Berry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Aug 2009 04:25:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You could always create your own font:

http://howto.wired.com/wiki/Create_Your_Own_Font

If you want it done right you&#039;ve gotta do it yourself. Isn&#039;t that what they say.

You&#039;re right about no font being 100% perfect. I&#039;ve always had to settle because I&#039;ve never had the time to create my own font.

I&#039;m a fan of typography myself. Probably not as much as you, but I do enjoy fonts. I used to be a Graphic Communications major in a past life, and I enjoy reading and learning about design. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You could always create your own font:</p>
<p><a href="http://howto.wired.com/wiki/Create_Your_Own_Font" rel="nofollow">http://howto.wired.com/wiki/Create_Your_Own_Font</a></p>
<p>If you want it done right you&#8217;ve gotta do it yourself. Isn&#8217;t that what they say.</p>
<p>You&#8217;re right about no font being 100% perfect. I&#8217;ve always had to settle because I&#8217;ve never had the time to create my own font.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m a fan of typography myself. Probably not as much as you, but I do enjoy fonts. I used to be a Graphic Communications major in a past life, and I enjoy reading and learning about design. <img src='http://rustinjessen.com/wordpress/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Rustin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rustin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Aug 2009 02:47:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Mike Berry - Points very well taken, and I certainly won&#039;t disregard :-)  

I&#039;m the same way with old english and other blackletter or gothic faces. Context is always key for me.  I&#039;d like to be able to use a smaller mark by itself.

As for the type of the name... I don&#039;t think I&#039;ll ever be completely happy.  but this is the one that, when spaced the way I like, offended me the least.

Seriously... I&#039;m the worst client I&#039;ve ever had.  So damn indecisive.

@Jeff - I created the second as more of a modern feeling one.  I do have to admit, it&#039;s not Janey&#039;s favorite.

In the end I&#039;m still playing, I still imagine I&#039;ll end up with some iteration that looks like #1</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Mike Berry &#8211; Points very well taken, and I certainly won&#8217;t disregard <img src='http://rustinjessen.com/wordpress/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' />   </p>
<p>I&#8217;m the same way with old english and other blackletter or gothic faces. Context is always key for me.  I&#8217;d like to be able to use a smaller mark by itself.</p>
<p>As for the type of the name&#8230; I don&#8217;t think I&#8217;ll ever be completely happy.  but this is the one that, when spaced the way I like, offended me the least.</p>
<p>Seriously&#8230; I&#8217;m the worst client I&#8217;ve ever had.  So damn indecisive.</p>
<p>@Jeff &#8211; I created the second as more of a modern feeling one.  I do have to admit, it&#8217;s not Janey&#8217;s favorite.</p>
<p>In the end I&#8217;m still playing, I still imagine I&#8217;ll end up with some iteration that looks like #1</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Aug 2009 00:55:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I like some combination of the two.  I like the bolder text of #2, as well as the &quot;Salt Lake City, USA&quot; text, but having a &quot;J&quot; icon is pretty cool.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like some combination of the two.  I like the bolder text of #2, as well as the &#8220;Salt Lake City, USA&#8221; text, but having a &#8220;J&#8221; icon is pretty cool.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Berry</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike Berry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Aug 2009 22:40:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m leaning towards #1 also, but I think the J in the circle needs to be more distinctive so it doesn&#039;t get mistaken for an I or a T. I&#039;m not sure about most people, but I sometimes have a hard time distinguishing capital letters in old english typography if there&#039;s no context. Obviously if you have J. Blackbird under the logo I can easily see that the letter in the logo is supposed to be a J, but what if you ever use the logo by itself?

Also, I&#039;m not too thrilled with the font of the J. Blackbird underneath the logo there, and it&#039;s hard for me to imagine all of those other fonts in that configuration. I&#039;m also leaning towards not going all-caps.

These are just my opinions so feel free to disregard.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m leaning towards #1 also, but I think the J in the circle needs to be more distinctive so it doesn&#8217;t get mistaken for an I or a T. I&#8217;m not sure about most people, but I sometimes have a hard time distinguishing capital letters in old english typography if there&#8217;s no context. Obviously if you have J. Blackbird under the logo I can easily see that the letter in the logo is supposed to be a J, but what if you ever use the logo by itself?</p>
<p>Also, I&#8217;m not too thrilled with the font of the J. Blackbird underneath the logo there, and it&#8217;s hard for me to imagine all of those other fonts in that configuration. I&#8217;m also leaning towards not going all-caps.</p>
<p>These are just my opinions so feel free to disregard.</p>
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